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Thursday, September 25, 2008

My Letter to Roman Catholics for Obama

Your support for the most pro-abortion presidential candidate in US history leaves me very skeptical that your front group consists of believing, practicing Catholics at all.

I'd go on, but I have to write a similar complaint to Marxists for McCain while the night is still young.


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posted by Kevin Gleeson at 10:37 PM

18 Comments:

  • Don't forget to write to Intellectuals for Biden or Rednecks for Hillary.

    Is there really a Catholics for Obama group? They must be a self-loathing lot.

    By Anonymous St. Blogustine, At 9/25/2008 11:48 PM  

  • Yes, they're at romancatholicsforobama.com. I'm not sure who the other one is besides Biden.

    By Blogger Kevin Gleeson, At 9/26/2008 12:06 AM  

  • I can guess a few of the other members of the group: Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Andrew Greeley--all of whom seem to flaunt their ostensible "Catholicism" when it suits their political purposes, but otherwise choose the liberal political agenda over the clear moral teachings of "their" Church every time.

    By Anonymous Paul, At 9/26/2008 4:26 PM  

  • Marxists for McCain! ROFL! How about "Tax Collectors for Bob Barr"?

    By Anonymous Jackie, At 9/30/2008 2:27 PM  

  • Thanks for writing the letter. Always nice to hear from you.

    www.catholicsforobama.blogspot.com

    By Blogger Katherine, At 9/30/2008 3:23 PM  

  • Translation:

    We found you. After the election you will be punished.

    - The Obama Campaign

    By Blogger Kevin Gleeson, At 9/30/2008 3:32 PM  

  • Translation:

    We found you. After the election you will be punished.

    Well, thanks for the admission Obama is going to win. Don't worry, dear, there will be no re-education camps. But all federally funded doctor's offices will have to play Peter, Paul & Mary music!

    By Blogger Katherine, At 9/30/2008 6:06 PM  

  • But all federally funded doctor's offices will have to play Peter, Paul & Mary music!

    And I suppose the waiting rooms would have back issues of ZAP Comics, Mr. Natural, and The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. After all, anything can't be all bad.

    By Blogger Kevin Gleeson, At 9/30/2008 6:28 PM  

  • You two can make jokes about it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that Obama is for abortions while Catholics can't vote pro-choice.

    I would leave it to Katherine to answer truthfully (if she plans to come back) whether she's pro-choice. I would really like to know that. Otherwise, how could she be a Catholic for Obama (like the original topic says)?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 9/30/2008 8:46 PM  

  • I don't know if she'll be back. If not, you can always go to her site and ask her yourself in an email instead of hoping to dialogue in this little blog section!

    My thought is that they probably are Catholics For Choice if they're even Catholic at all.

    By Blogger Kevin Gleeson, At 9/30/2008 9:07 PM  

  • I would leave it to Katherine to answer truthfully (if she plans to come back) whether she's pro-choice. I would really like to know that.

    I am pro-life. I am pro-peace. I am pro-Union.

    By Blogger Katherine, At 10/01/2008 9:04 AM  

  • I am pro-life. I am pro-peace. I am pro-Union.

    Just not in that order. Got it.

    There's no way I could vote for Obama with this opportunity at hand to turn the balance of the Supreme Court to reverse Roe, and stop the abortions of these million babies a year. Obama is avowed to keep abortion legal at all stages, including after birth if the mother so chooses.

    I'm unreservedly pro-life.

    I'm pro-peace, but not a pacifist. We can't withdraw Iraq before securing the peace in that nation we destabilized. To do so would leave it a bloodbath.

    I'm definitely not pro-Union, but I wish you well. Thanks for keeping my blog in the rounds you make, Katherine!

    By Blogger Kevin Gleeson, At 10/01/2008 10:31 AM  

  • As a Catholic and a Religious Sister, I am unequivocally pro-life. I support all lawful, official and economic means that will help end this national tragedy. But more needs to be done to expand the dialog and to assist in the education of Catholics about the common good. One way is to make our vote count. As a nation in order to truly uphold the value of life, we need to work at ways to reduce abortions and pay attention to the economic reasons that remains core to abortion. It is imperative we not just say we value life with mere words but with viable actions.

    By Blogger SisterSharon, At 10/08/2008 3:13 PM  

  • SisterSharon, I deleted the two identical comments you paste-posted on the two slightly related topics elsewhere on the blog. After all, you know, one is a discussion, three is spam.

    Your "vote for the common good" campaign is yet another to persuade Catholics to vote for Obama because you erroneously value your preference for the Democratic party platform over stopping over a million legal abortions a year.

    By Blogger Kevin Gleeson, At 10/11/2008 12:34 AM  

  • Kevin --

    I am impressed by your ability to peer into another person's soul and discern their intentions.

    I think you might have some humility in judging others who question that a vote for McCain will stop a million abortions after they already stopped a million abortions twice by voting for Bush.

    By Blogger Katherine, At 10/11/2008 7:56 AM  

  • I am impressed by your ability to peer into another person's soul and discern their intentions.

    No, Katherine, I don't have that charism, but I take Mr. Obama at his word about his intentions. Please read the previous entry on my blog and watch at least the first video:

    http://theseriousblog.com/2008/10/barack-obama-promise-no-abortion-left.html

    Just to assure you there's no trick manipulation in the first video, the second video is posted right on BarackObama.com, and is a more complete version of his appearance at Planned Parenthood that most of the outtakes in the first clip were from.


    I think you might have some humility in judging others who question that a vote for McCain will stop a million abortions after they already stopped a million abortions twice by voting for Bush.

    Of course Bush could have overturned Roe only with another key Supreme Court appointment, and either McCain or Obama will probably have that opportunity this term. You see that Obama has a pro-abortion bias as a litmus test for all of his future appointments. McCain does not.

    I urge you once again as a believing Catholic to vote McCain.

    By Blogger Kevin Gleeson, At 10/11/2008 9:17 AM  

  • No, Katherine, I don't have that charism, but I take Mr. Obama at his word about his intentions.

    Yes, but it was Sister's intentions you judged, not Senator Obama's.

    Of course Bush could have overturned Roe only with another key Supreme Court appointment, and either McCain or Obama will probably have that opportunity this term. You see that Obama has a pro-abortion bias as a litmus test for all of his future appointments. McCain does not.

    I urge you once again as a believing Catholic to vote McCain.

    You might make a fine case for what you claim above. Where you fail is suggesting acceptance of the Catholic faith is conditional upon your assumptions. It is simply a false assertion that it is a doctrine of the Catholic Church essential for ecclesial communion that 1) Justices Roberts and Alito will overturn Roe if a case came before them, 2) Bush, had he a third appointment, would nominate a judge opposed to Roe, 3) there will be a vacancy in the next presidential term, and 4) McCain will and Obama won't nominate a Roe opponent.

    None of these four points are matter that bind Catholics as a matter of doctrine so serious they deny themselves ecclesial communion should one not accept them.

    In fact, most of them require predicting with certainty events that have not happened. That is the grave sin of soothsaying.

    By Blogger Katherine, At 10/11/2008 1:34 PM  

  • To Katherine:

    it was Sister's intentions you judged

    You refer to "SisterSharon", the comment spammer from votethecommongood.com. Yes, ma'am, I have judged her intentions, and I can live with that - by reading her site's platform. You've given me a good idea to elaborate on that pro-Obama Catholic organization in a new post in my next free, dull moment.

    Again, the most compelling reasons for Catholics to vote against Obama are his promise to sign the Freedom of Choice Act as well as his promise to appoint only pro-Roe Supreme Court Justices. Yes, he has a litmus test for his nominees, and a bloody one at that.

    Regarding the USSC, you yourself have outlined the line of reasoning behind it, and you've done all but connect the dots. Does your denial come from overriding blinding forces of either Democratic party loyalty, or some other special interest (such as your union)? Only you can say. I tell you, it would be hard for me to do as a conservative in all things, but Obama would have my vote were he the anti-Roe candidate.

    I proceed not by soothsaying, but by reasoned analysis. Check it out yourself. It's a prolife site that cites the LA Times. A prolife Democrat such as yourself's gotta love that!

    http://www.lifenews.com/nat4405.html

    By Blogger Kevin Gleeson, At 10/13/2008 1:45 AM  

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